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		<link>http://www.webword.com/wp/2006/07/27/vertical-search/#comment-207168</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Herbal Products</title>
		<link>http://www.webword.com/wp/2006/07/27/vertical-search/#comment-165779</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of important things you can do now which can greatly increase your chances of good health. Our mission is to help you achieve and maintain good health and this is how we will do this:</p>
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		<title>by: breast</title>
		<link>http://www.webword.com/wp/2006/07/27/vertical-search/#comment-157993</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow nice layout. can i suggest you one more thing for yoru blog.</description>
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		<title>by: Jim boswell</title>
		<link>http://www.webword.com/wp/2006/07/27/vertical-search/#comment-115425</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Among the four leading verticals, retail and travel are the most developed and will continue to be the top categories through 2009.</description>
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		<title>by: Andy Black</title>
		<link>http://www.webword.com/wp/2006/07/27/vertical-search/#comment-70532</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Will Vertical Search and Social Networks combine to challenge Google?

Publishers and advertising agencies have a very difficult challenge ahead as traditional “horizontal” media like newspapers, TV channels and magazines see their traditional demographics and advertising revenue streams fragmented by the increasing preference of consumers for online access and the huge presence of Google eroding their audiences and potential future revenues. Perhaps they should remember the words of Sun Tsu, who once said “When the enemy is too strong to attack directly, then attack something he holds dear. Know that in all things he cannot be superior. Somewhere there is a gap in the armour, a weakness that can be attacked instead.” Google’s major strength – the clean search box and the ease of use, commoditised ad revenues, perhaps masks its principal weakness. As media content and advertising revenues fragment to serve thousands and thousands of “vertical” online communities based on lifestyle or profession, Google may suddenly seem standardised, commoditised and lacking a sense of unique community. Is Google becoming Wal-Mart, while vertical communities may prefer Harrods? 

Whilst “horizontal” media companies are similar to supermarkets, specialist professional “vertical” publishers are very specific in serving niche communities with totally relevant content and requirements. However, the publisher’s principal operating difficulty in becoming adaptive to this asymmetric Web 2.0 opportunity is that most tend to run each of their print, exhibition and online titles/businesses as separate profit and loss items on their balance sheet. As a by-product the vast majority tend not to have a centralised IT infrastructure or the human IT skill sets to manage a large scale data centre or web spidering facility – the prerequisites needed to datamine and aggregate open source, user generated and blog content to create vertical slices of the Web that are relevant for their audiences. Publishers will also need to integrate this content into the online extensions of their print brands and thereby allowing advertisers the opportunity to target high value communities. In addition, the datamining, crawling and hosting to identify relevant open source content will also need to be a continual process due to the continual growth of user generated and open source content. 

Convera have two very large data centres, an extensive web spidering capability and a web index. Convera are now partnering with a significant number of specialist B2B publishers to create a range of vertical websites for specific professional communities. The first example of this is Searchmedica.com with UBM. 

In building the deep vertical search portals, the key is to reach into the specific professional community in a number of ways. First, you can combined the trade publisher's knowledge and contacts in the profession with community appeals that engage the specific audience in a way that general search cannot, and also by taking special care to use the taxonomies common to the targeted profession in organizing search results so that the user feels more at home and among peers. Building a good vertical engine can be costly and time consuming, and getting a critical mass of users to de-Google their search habits into more specialized engines is potentially a tough sell. However, in tests with focus groups from different professional communities to test these vertical search properties against Google, the results are hugely encouraging. 

In building the beta test sites, the specialist publishers are providing Convera with &quot;white lists&quot; of data sources online and websites that would be most relevant to its readers so that the searches are restricted to reliable and trusted information. Publishers are also securing agreements with owners of key proprietary content not normally crawled by Google by leveraging some of its contacts and resources so that Convera can crawl and deliver some of their proprietary content. Another key consideration is getting the user community engaged in the process as co-developers. No matter how bad the results at Google or Yahoo may be for a given professional segment, the interface is familiar and the destination is always at hand. Getting users to think of a specialized brand as the go-to place for business information is the challenge. 

A number of publishers are actively assessing the potential of adding social networking to the mix in order to get professionals interacting with each other and adding weekly podcasts by industry experts on issues affecting the community – these additional services will create more community loyalty and also additional advertising and sponsorship opportunities. 

The publishers can also use their print titles to drive the audience to the new online areas and this will also assist the transition of their high value print ad revenues to online. Publishers also have exhibitions, seminars, events and email newsletters to assist this transition – and recent research suggests that professional communities will actively attend seminars and events to meet peers and other members of their community. The theory goes that once you get some professionals involved then the viral mechanism or behavioural “Hive Mind” also kicks in and professional workers start referring to the vertical portal as a community source. It is also allows advertisers and public relations organisations access to a clearly defined, affluent, influential and stable audience. 

Google does not allow you to have a beer with a potential business partner - it doesn't have that sense of community. But Google is fighting back – the recent launch of Google Custom Search and acquisition of teenage social network sites indicates they are aware of their weakness – but specialist publishers see this as a Trojan Horse. Social networks for teenagers are highly transient and target a demographic that is volatile, unpredictable and has a low level of disposable income – whereas a social network alongside a vertical search service for 22,000 bio-chemists, 55,000 UK GP’s, 55,000 insurance risk assessors or 120,000 US psychiatrists is stable, affluent and attractive for advertisers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Vertical Search and Social Networks combine to challenge Google?</p>
<p>Publishers and advertising agencies have a very difficult challenge ahead as traditional “horizontal” media like newspapers, TV channels and magazines see their traditional demographics and advertising revenue streams fragmented by the increasing preference of consumers for online access and the huge presence of Google eroding their audiences and potential future revenues. Perhaps they should remember the words of Sun Tsu, who once said “When the enemy is too strong to attack directly, then attack something he holds dear. Know that in all things he cannot be superior. Somewhere there is a gap in the armour, a weakness that can be attacked instead.” Google’s major strength – the clean search box and the ease of use, commoditised ad revenues, perhaps masks its principal weakness. As media content and advertising revenues fragment to serve thousands and thousands of “vertical” online communities based on lifestyle or profession, Google may suddenly seem standardised, commoditised and lacking a sense of unique community. Is Google becoming Wal-Mart, while vertical communities may prefer Harrods? </p>
<p>Whilst “horizontal” media companies are similar to supermarkets, specialist professional “vertical” publishers are very specific in serving niche communities with totally relevant content and requirements. However, the publisher’s principal operating difficulty in becoming adaptive to this asymmetric Web 2.0 opportunity is that most tend to run each of their print, exhibition and online titles/businesses as separate profit and loss items on their balance sheet. As a by-product the vast majority tend not to have a centralised IT infrastructure or the human IT skill sets to manage a large scale data centre or web spidering facility – the prerequisites needed to datamine and aggregate open source, user generated and blog content to create vertical slices of the Web that are relevant for their audiences. Publishers will also need to integrate this content into the online extensions of their print brands and thereby allowing advertisers the opportunity to target high value communities. In addition, the datamining, crawling and hosting to identify relevant open source content will also need to be a continual process due to the continual growth of user generated and open source content. </p>
<p>Convera have two very large data centres, an extensive web spidering capability and a web index. Convera are now partnering with a significant number of specialist B2B publishers to create a range of vertical websites for specific professional communities. The first example of this is Searchmedica.com with UBM. </p>
<p>In building the deep vertical search portals, the key is to reach into the specific professional community in a number of ways. First, you can combined the trade publisher&#8217;s knowledge and contacts in the profession with community appeals that engage the specific audience in a way that general search cannot, and also by taking special care to use the taxonomies common to the targeted profession in organizing search results so that the user feels more at home and among peers. Building a good vertical engine can be costly and time consuming, and getting a critical mass of users to de-Google their search habits into more specialized engines is potentially a tough sell. However, in tests with focus groups from different professional communities to test these vertical search properties against Google, the results are hugely encouraging. </p>
<p>In building the beta test sites, the specialist publishers are providing Convera with &#8220;white lists&#8221; of data sources online and websites that would be most relevant to its readers so that the searches are restricted to reliable and trusted information. Publishers are also securing agreements with owners of key proprietary content not normally crawled by Google by leveraging some of its contacts and resources so that Convera can crawl and deliver some of their proprietary content. Another key consideration is getting the user community engaged in the process as co-developers. No matter how bad the results at Google or Yahoo may be for a given professional segment, the interface is familiar and the destination is always at hand. Getting users to think of a specialized brand as the go-to place for business information is the challenge. </p>
<p>A number of publishers are actively assessing the potential of adding social networking to the mix in order to get professionals interacting with each other and adding weekly podcasts by industry experts on issues affecting the community – these additional services will create more community loyalty and also additional advertising and sponsorship opportunities. </p>
<p>The publishers can also use their print titles to drive the audience to the new online areas and this will also assist the transition of their high value print ad revenues to online. Publishers also have exhibitions, seminars, events and email newsletters to assist this transition – and recent research suggests that professional communities will actively attend seminars and events to meet peers and other members of their community. The theory goes that once you get some professionals involved then the viral mechanism or behavioural “Hive Mind” also kicks in and professional workers start referring to the vertical portal as a community source. It is also allows advertisers and public relations organisations access to a clearly defined, affluent, influential and stable audience. </p>
<p>Google does not allow you to have a beer with a potential business partner - it doesn&#8217;t have that sense of community. But Google is fighting back – the recent launch of Google Custom Search and acquisition of teenage social network sites indicates they are aware of their weakness – but specialist publishers see this as a Trojan Horse. Social networks for teenagers are highly transient and target a demographic that is volatile, unpredictable and has a low level of disposable income – whereas a social network alongside a vertical search service for 22,000 bio-chemists, 55,000 UK GP’s, 55,000 insurance risk assessors or 120,000 US psychiatrists is stable, affluent and attractive for advertisers.
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		<title>by: John Rhodes</title>
		<link>http://www.webword.com/wp/2006/07/27/vertical-search/#comment-20427</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>\&quot;So what is vertical search? It is a specialized search engine that mines data for one narrow niche of the market place. Say jobs or travel. Or even high end real estate. Because the data sources are so fragmented, there seems to be an opportunity to massage the data and present it in a manner that is simple to use and easy to consume. Sort of meta search for niches.\&quot;

&lt;a href=\&quot;http://www.webword.com/\&quot;http://gigaom.com/2005/03/16/3554//\&quot;\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Silicon Valley’s buzzing with Vertical Search&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>\&#8221;So what is vertical search? It is a specialized search engine that mines data for one narrow niche of the market place. Say jobs or travel. Or even high end real estate. Because the data sources are so fragmented, there seems to be an opportunity to massage the data and present it in a manner that is simple to use and easy to consume. Sort of meta search for niches.\&#8221;</p>
<p><a href=\"http://www.webword.com/\"http://gigaom.com/2005/03/16/3554//\"\" rel=\"nofollow\" rel="nofollow">Silicon Valley’s buzzing with Vertical Search</a>
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		<title>by: Yuri</title>
		<link>http://www.webword.com/wp/2006/07/27/vertical-search/#comment-20423</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Vertical search - the Long Tail of search ;)
Say, ordinary text is the main search usage. Image, blog, news and stuff search are less popular but nevertheless used searches - the Long Tail of search or vertical search.

That doesn't picture any 'verticality' though and I still don't get why it was named 'vertical' instead of 'horizontal'?

Why not replace it with some more clear synonym of sort, or something.</description>
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Say, ordinary text is the main search usage. Image, blog, news and stuff search are less popular but nevertheless used searches - the Long Tail of search or vertical search.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t picture any &#8216;verticality&#8217; though and I still don&#8217;t get why it was named &#8216;vertical&#8217; instead of &#8216;horizontal&#8217;?</p>
<p>Why not replace it with some more clear synonym of sort, or something.
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		<title>by: Thomas Baekdal</title>
		<link>http://www.webword.com/wp/2006/07/27/vertical-search/#comment-20407</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Kathleen, I too read the whole article, and did a search on Google for it, but I still don't get it (apart that it may be a specialized search engine, which I fail to see why it would make AJAX old school).

Could someone explain it to me in plain language?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen, I too read the whole article, and did a search on Google for it, but I still don&#8217;t get it (apart that it may be a specialized search engine, which I fail to see why it would make AJAX old school).</p>
<p>Could someone explain it to me in plain language?
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		<title>by: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.webword.com/wp/2006/07/27/vertical-search/#comment-20382</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I read that whole ZDNet article without working out what on earth vertical search was supposed to mean. Thankfully, I worked it out by visiting Google.

I think it would be a good feature to implement, makes things easier for the user, but it doesn't seem like a such a big deal that ZDNet should do a whole article on it.

I think we'll be on to Web 3.0 by the end of the year at the rate things are going. Aagh!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that whole ZDNet article without working out what on earth vertical search was supposed to mean. Thankfully, I worked it out by visiting Google.</p>
<p>I think it would be a good feature to implement, makes things easier for the user, but it doesn&#8217;t seem like a such a big deal that ZDNet should do a whole article on it.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ll be on to Web 3.0 by the end of the year at the rate things are going. Aagh!</p>
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		<title>by: Jason Coleman</title>
		<link>http://www.webword.com/wp/2006/07/27/vertical-search/#comment-20365</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>One of these sites (I think it was live.com and/or msn.com) used to have the little colored tabs, which would light up with a downward pointing arrow when you clicked on it. It would be pretty obvious to the user that &quot;now you are searching for images&quot;, etc.

I don't know why they decided to get rid of it. It seems like all of the sites now are simply bolding the selected category and maybe changing the shape of the input box and text in the search button. These things could go by unnoticed.

And John, don't sweat it. Vertical search has only been around as a popular term for, oh-I don't know, at least 1 year now. I'm sure you could just ignore this one and let it go out of fashion, since you're so late to the game anyway ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of these sites (I think it was live.com and/or msn.com) used to have the little colored tabs, which would light up with a downward pointing arrow when you clicked on it. It would be pretty obvious to the user that &#8220;now you are searching for images&#8221;, etc.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why they decided to get rid of it. It seems like all of the sites now are simply bolding the selected category and maybe changing the shape of the input box and text in the search button. These things could go by unnoticed.</p>
<p>And John, don&#8217;t sweat it. Vertical search has only been around as a popular term for, oh-I don&#8217;t know, at least 1 year now. I&#8217;m sure you could just ignore this one and let it go out of fashion, since you&#8217;re so late to the game anyway ;)
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